Mess Magnets | Ice Mess

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Sasha, Hi I'm Kirsten and this is Mess Magnets. We're back baby!

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm here! You miss me or not? I don't care because I made it.

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Were you knited and it feels so good?

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, not misunderstood at all.

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Period. Oh my gosh. So ready. I missed you.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I miss you! I miss this. I can't believe it's been 7,000 years.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But I made it. I made it. Okay?

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: You had an amazing trip. If people want to see go to fun size on the score O4 and you can see Sasha's photos and videos.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: She had the most amazing trip. It was so beautiful.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you look so cool?

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: People with photos in her scamp, moving in scarves?

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I've been posted that yet but I will.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been posted that I haven't.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: They're starting to warm with their photos and I was like, how does one pick?

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know you look so many.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, funny. I was showing Josh here Instagram.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, oh wait, now we have to look at the Facebook because Instagram is like Max 20 photos.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been the way they've increased so you can have 20.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I did not offer them.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But on Facebook you're like 140.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So big difference. Just hard to make those cuts.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I know. Listen, shout out to Cartaget.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_00]: He had his little camera and he was like, the whole time good for him.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. Well, I was freezing my ass off.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: No, not freezing.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe it's not the last picture on the Instagram camera.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So, but I looked like a grandma, like a babushka.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That's in style these days.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's funny.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the thing.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I looked up how to tie like scarves cutely.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_00]: None of it worked.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It was freezing.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Kenya is in part of Kenya isn't the southern hemisphere.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: FYI.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, meanwhile I can't even pick which like picture of my cats and my house to use on my,

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: like monthly wrap-up.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So I can't imagine going on the trip of the lifetime and having to figure it.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Very easily.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's just such such first-world problems I have.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so grateful for them.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But seriously, you killed it.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Our guests outstanding with the help.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't come for my job.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Get out of here.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm just kidding.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't come for my job.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my god.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You're so good.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I was a person pre-show that I was just jealous.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But then I was happy because I always wish there was a mess magnets for me to listen to.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, had it for three full weeks, baby.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you knew what it was like to be a messenger for three weeks.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was legit a messenger.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I think in my both were mind you're kind of killing people in Kenya about mass magnets.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, please.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So cute.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were in a car in a Jeep with like four,

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_00]: five other people, like one family and one like older man from Dallas.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And everyone was like sharing, I guess what they do is I was like, oh, you know, I'm like,

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I work for non-profit, blah blah blah.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And then a car, I think it was like, well, and she does podcasting and I'm like, oh, shit.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a lot of old folks and some like, it just come on.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, then you do more than ever, which is true.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And I will say that their daughter was super introverted and like, and her and I end up talking about Janet Dugger for like 30 minutes during dinner.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Because obviously literally your dream.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could get a dream.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I could quite.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So, kind of did do me a favor, but I was like, please still to the.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Because we were like reality TV and it's like, shut up, don't judge me.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I know, it's literally like, I'm not embarrassed to know to like watch the shows I watched and cover them or like to talk about pop culture.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't care.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It does, I don't feel guilty better at all.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But then it'll be like, my boyfriend's grandpa will be like, oh, what show are you podcasting about?

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll be like, oh, a temptation island where they go to cheat on their spouse.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm like, I'm not embarrassed about watching it, but that's not the target audience.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But when he puts so cute, he like pulls out a little piece of paper and like writes it down.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And they go, my grandma just said to me, not so cute.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not watching.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not listening to this in India, like, please be serious.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But she writes it all down to, oh, I just love that.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so sweet.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just so sweet.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's just, oh, here we are, but it's just shout out to all of you for listening.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And for putting up with us, because listen, it's the best podcast.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And we find one minor, yeah.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I give one minor great actually to the message of this time.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We've had no five star reviews since we last recorded.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: None.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless some have shown up on American iTunes that I can't see.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I, we beg you.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We literally were begging on our knees for five star reviews to welcome social home.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And you, not one of you.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Not one of you could do that for me.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's like, okay, please give it to Kristen for doing such a great job.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I feel like deserves it too.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Stop it.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You deserve it.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You deserve a nice gift to come home too.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And you instead, you want to rock.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: The gift was the friends we made along.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, should we just get into it?

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I did still curse it.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I think when I was in Kenya, I message to this because I just couldn't believe it.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You did and I said, back in wait until you come home because we would not do it just as without you.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like if you had done like the Taylor Swift album review without me,

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: like it just wouldn't make sense.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's fine.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Because on the first episode of Mess Magnets, I talked about how I have a lot of useless info,

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: but the delkers.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I really be having way too much info about and yeah, I'm very interested in anthropologically.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I?

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Since this is Jen.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You could out.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so okay, well, I'm asking you a very off topic question.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So I have been getting all these TikToks from this creator who does recaps of this TLC show.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: My husband is not gay.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's this group of like Mormon women and their husbands and all the husbands have what they call

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the quote unquote same sex attraction, but they're not gay, Sasha.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They're just attracted to other men and it'll be like all the wives hanging out together going for a hike

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: in the while the husband they're having a quote boys night.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're like the jokes.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They could be, I don't know.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I've only watched a couple of these TikToks and like obviously haven't watched the show,

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm extremely intrigued by this show.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: See, that's a thing, right?

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about Janet Ducker, which I feel like not,

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: like I can't say that she's my quote unquote favorite,

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: but like when I was deep in Ducker lore,

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: she was very much my favorite Ducker and that I was very interested by her because she was the only one like not dating anyone.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_00]: She was single and not only was she single,

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: rumor to maybe be the like queer one.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but whatever, like again just because she's a spoiler is now married to me and doesn't necessarily wouldn't negate if she worked.

[00:08:44] Great.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I have we don't know.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We just don't know.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not about her sexuality.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It's more like how does this like cult that they're part of,

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: IBM me, you know, just suppress and make everything horrible for their daughters.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's none, too, but really for their daughters, the daughters mainly.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, and before that I almost tweeted this,

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: but I feel like I wanted to share it on my SNI,

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's first because I think it's so funny and I don't know if anyone else thinks this is money.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm driving in Switzerland and I'm looking up and I say,

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_00]: what is that?

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: What does that sign say?

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not joking that that sign legitimately said,

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: got third stands.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: What?

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: What words just came out of your mouth?

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, did we cut out?

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this literally what it said.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And I say, what?

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait a damn minute.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But apparently this is like a place in Switzerland called Gaffard,

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: which like, and I forgot to look up what stands, man.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I should have done that.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But I just think that's so ridiculous.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I cannot believe that.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it gets named after the guy.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's so funny.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it just a random thing.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, what the hell?

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's got third stands.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was going to tweet like nobody,

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and then this picture got third stands.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, wait, it looks like stands.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it does sit in Switzerland.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a part of like,

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: like a place in Switzerland.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Gaffard, it looks like is like a military fortress.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you're Ivy.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It just constantly seemed got there stand.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Why did I think that you meant that it was actually,

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, no.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like about,

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: like a,

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: like,

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: like,

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: just a very funny coincidence.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't know what to do with myself.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody in the car was getting it.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway,

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: it's just literally the funniest thing.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's happened to me that no one understood.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's because the wedding had just happened.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was just fresh on my life.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'll send you the picture.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm dead.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm literally deceased.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I couldn't breathe.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what do we got third stand?

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're folks, sorry,

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: that have no idea what the hell I'm talking about.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Got third is the founder,

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_00]: called Leader of this specific sex that the Dougers are part of.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That is,

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: that's what we've,

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah, we've covered,

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: but you know, just thinking.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've talked about it.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to go back,

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_01]: we have an old episode,

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: shiny, happy mess where we talk about the,

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: the shiny,

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: happy people,

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the happy,

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: which really covers the,

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be okay.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Call.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I would be the one I would recommend.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And Jill's book as well.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We covered that.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, counting.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was called.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, that's our episode.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: The book is called.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Counting the cost and I think that's what is counting the mass.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, there's a lot more because,

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I can talk about them for hours.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But I won't,

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_00]: okay, because I'm not the god third stand.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank God.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just so funny.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm sorry.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It just kills me.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_00]: We're really bad.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways,

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: because that's the slide.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: What I believe is the best Dougher wedding.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Period.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Where, um,

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and of course,

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: we knew this was sold to people the story.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That's who officially broke it.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Although there was, um,

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: a few leaks online.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh,

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The day of they got married.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So they got married,

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: on August 15,

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: which is in the end of the pendant today.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And, um,

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: that morning,

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: well,

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, sorry.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It was morning for me in Kenya.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway,

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: that morning,

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I believe or whatever,

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: a bunch of videos had come out and on

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Reddit that were like,

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: here's Jenna Dougher's engagement,

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: um,

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: photos.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So she's going to be getting married soon.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And they and someone even found the marriage license.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So people are like,

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's coming.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's coming.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden,

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: she was married.

[00:13:19] Damn.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You knew it was coming.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the thing we did.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: We did.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And we thought it would be end of August,

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: but smack dab in the middle.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And it really was like,

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: classy elegant,

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_00]: which again,

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Jenna Dougher has planned all of the other weddings.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Number one.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like a fixer up her of the house.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_00]: She's the interior decorator.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: She's a gardener.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: She's the manny,

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you know,

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: she all of it.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's so beautiful.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So her husband's pretty handsome too.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's good.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like,

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: They're very cute together.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But again,

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: you remember them all they stand for and that you're like,

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: well, yeah, like,

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't in the house.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: We're like,

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: No,

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: God,

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_00]: they're not got their hands.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway,

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: so yes,

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_00]: they get married in Prairie,

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Grove,

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Arkansas,

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: where again,

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Jenna is from Arkansas.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And this year,

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm when it was beautiful.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You can check out her Instagram.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I love the pictures look amazing.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, they've gotten engaged on June 15 and got married very quickly on August 15.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Again, in my mind,

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: her wedding bin planned.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_00]: She just needed to advance.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I am looking at these photos.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I actually feel like I'm surprised this wedding dress would be allowed with an

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I view.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're going to start shooting.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: We're showing the same.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry to jump ahead.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, please.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So because her gown again is the best gown out of everyone.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's gorgeous.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It's on the same thing.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But again, that very simple but beautiful.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You're able to wear this compared to what her sisters were.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_00]: She had to sew a fake hem line on her like sisters.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Bridesmaid stresses and look at her bright mind dresses.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't make any sense.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway,

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So, everything about this wedding is very different.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Like,

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Like,

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: person said the dress.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It is a low back.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Granted her hair covers a lot of it.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: But still,

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a low back.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the like modesty culture or whatever.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't care if your hair covers it.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Fair.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's exactly.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And then her shoulder out.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I know.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Um,

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And then not only that, y'all.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The first.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Dougher wedding to not be just a dessert reception.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_00]: She had a full on reception for 500 people and had dancing.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Or at least a firsthand way or what?

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they had a first dance,

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: which is crazy because they're not allowed to listen to music.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't like to dance.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember at the beginning of Jill's book.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: She talked about dance to like music.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And they were allowed to listen to some music as long as they never danced.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, that's true.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, again, it had to be like approved music.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, not with the music you would do a first dance too.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And then her brights made were a jessa,

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: which, well,

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: okay, her brights made were all the older sister.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Older,

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the sister's because Jordan was Jordan and Johanna were also.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Brights made they're part of the younger girls.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But but the,

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: the older sisters except Jill were brights made.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And these brights made dress as well.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel don't match with the rules we've been told about.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be able to do things that she was allowed to like make some concessions because they need some like good press.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that it ding ding ding.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's it.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: people have been speculating a bunch of stuff saying like,

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, oh, maybe Jim Bob is changing Bob.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That man's not changing.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that he one needs to publicity your right.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And secondly,

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's been a lot of like because of these books, right?

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Ginger had a book which is another sister and Jill's very damning book.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there was a lot of focus on janna and the sisters that are home.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically saying like they're kind of screwed.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Dan, you know, is basically like the sister mom.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're never going to let her leave blah, blah, blah.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So it feels like she and she started putting out a bunch of YouTube videos.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Which you know, maybe we're just a way to ramp things back up because now she needs revenue.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: She's out of house.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But either way, it just and she was in short.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's giving like he's trying to show that the girls can do whatever they want.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We had what you know, we had dance and right like a first dance.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: We had dinner.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: We did all of this but first of all, people probably paid because people magazine broke the story.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And secondly, we know Jim Bob's getting all the money out.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll go.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like Jill has literally said that to us.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's really unfortunate that Jill wasn't a bright man.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it checks out because Janne allegedly allegedly was one of the siblings that Jim Bob would send over.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You remember how in the book?

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I talked about like how siblings would show up on a nouns.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: This Janne and her were best friends.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that she was.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Janne was one of the siblings used to pressure Jill.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Jill wasn't the wedding and she did share like yeah, I wasn't a bright's made.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But it is whatever the bride wants because she said, I don't know, but it should be always the bride's decision.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I feel like that's shady towards Jim.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it comes across as like, oh, yeah, that's super sweet whatever.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But actually it's like, was it her choice?

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's giving my dad didn't allow.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I bet dad was paying dad a k people magazine and the purse strings dictated who was going to be the made of honor because here's the thing person.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Jessa was her made of honor which is truly doesn't even mean to what?

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Because in here's why.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's called me.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Jessa will lead Janne when they were growing up.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And that was like a big part of like their 19 kids in counting story line to where, again, people could say like, oh, they were kids blah blah blah.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But like the way Janne talked about it even when they were like, you know, in their early teen, sorry late teens early 20s.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: It was giving that she we don't get along like that because Janne and Jill as the oldest child.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Two daughters, right.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Get this music box from their mom as like a you know, your the oldest, you have to take care of all the kids.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Because all the kids all the daughters already had buddies and they're to basically take care of the younger kids.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So Jill and Janne get this music box and to make up for you know to be like, oh, try to get Jessa on side, basically and try to build in the lion's with her.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know they get Janne is asked to give that older daughter music box to Jessa.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: As a like all of ranch, you know, all just a did with like hit her bunk all, you know, at all times.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here or whatever, whatever, the point is like they were never supposed to be like close.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So, just a gender are the close ones and Jill and Janne were close.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just people were kind of shocked that this person that you know had a strange relationship with whatever is now your made of honor.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's kind of well known that Jessa is kind of the Jim Bob's favorite.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So while then it adds up doesn't look deep there.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it all checks out and it's all sinister enough for me to like be so frustrated by it all.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But oh, and then for folks of wondering who's even with Smith is he is her.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Janne's brother.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Janne is a twin. This is very weird.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. Okay, Janne is a twin and then there's one more sets of twins.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So Janne's brother younger brother, who just happens to be twin with someone else is married to Steven sister.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I don't remember this one that was like the like speculation.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes exactly exactly so weird.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was always speculation between Janne and Steven because Janne allegedly would shop around the younger siblings dates.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's giving no, it's I think she said it that basically they were dating in 2021 they were dating in 2021 they seem to break up around Josh the girls arrest and all of that and when Janne had her child in danger of it situation.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And then with Josh's kids again.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So all of that to say like they seem to be dating, then they weren't anymore and then last year or this year he ends up writing her like a handwritten letter.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And again we have to remember there's no intimacy, no kissing, you know anything.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think this was like maybe her his way of like getting her you know to think about him again, I don't know.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But it seemed like he kind of worn her down according to the people article where he writes a handwritten letter and then they start like writing to each other.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they, you know, kind of get back in, they kind of become friends again, then they start texting and then it becomes her man take again when she basically says she realized like listen I've been slow but over time his character is coming back still loving me no matter what I know we have a big crazy family because they both come from the same family.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And so kind of putting up with a lot of things I wonder what that is.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I'm like my goodness there are not too many people that do that he must really genuinely care about me.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh man.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like he was there when the music stopped a little.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And again you said her wedding was planned she just needed the groom so I'd rub.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And again it seems like they were dating for a while.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they broke up again because of how ridiculous the family is and all her drama and you know she just it just seems like she's found love it just doesn't come across in this people article but he has posted now two videos on YouTube.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But one like surprising him which is a little bit awkward but again I think when you can't really show any intimacy to each other maybe it is going to be awkward.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's fair.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know and you know her sibling her young young siblings she's 34 he's 31 and her like freaking teenage siblings are shapper owning their quote unquote dates it's just well you got to someone there.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, basically that's it so she drove to Nebraska in one video and then the second one is like she actually shows their new house and their fixer up her.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So you know it is what I really hope she's happy like it's just it's everyone is like he's going to save her no but I just hope she's happy.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they have you know and he seems to have his own business like it doesn't look like he's going to depend on Jim Bob.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well and I honestly like even just getting physical distance from the family and the kids and all the responsibilities she's had.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I think is going to be so huge.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Even if like she's still you know living under I'd be like it's still restricted but she'll have so much more freedom and then at least if she's really raising kids will be her own fucking kids and all her siblings.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, like how many of our siblings is she raised at this point a lot all of them and not even that the siblings kids you have to remember.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's like she's the child and the injured man.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so my knee about the child's injured.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's because one of the M kids so Josh is kids somehow got out of the compound.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's crazy.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, mm.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's just again like for me I just hope that she's you know that this is good for her and that it isn't just like all the toy you know from Jim Bob for like arranging this marriage kind of being like well you dated him before.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, because it sounds like you know she she's like my guard was up when I was falling in love blah blah blah and like it just seems like.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: She's been heartbroken a little bit so and who amongst us hasn't you know.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and especially when you're in such a community that values you by your birth.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like by your like uterus and what you're able to like produce literally so I can't imagine you know how hard that is.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But I literally cannot imagine but congratulations to her and her new husband and hopefully things are better for her and like I don't know maybe it is one subclosed sort of possibly getting out and getting.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean they're there still they're not as like I said because his sister Hannah has a lot of like that allegedly has been having a hard time with their dog.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Because her it's not so easy because her family is pretty open.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully that helps you and uh is how I see it or I hope at least.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see we'll go from there.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's so wild.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is wild. I'm so glad we got to talk about it with you like there's no way I was going to talk about this with anybody else.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I would like.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I would like we wouldn't be able to do a justice. We just wouldn't so so yeah, so we'll see like people are like is this the newer of the Doug girls blah blah blah.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But listen as someone like you that isn't like so deep in it even you were able to clock that it's it's giving PR.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, but I'm also somebody who very much lives in a PR space true.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's who knows.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no it feels like that because.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_00]: The photographer apparently has asked like a few this YouTube.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I follow about all this stuff to take down on the pictures.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I listen.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I heard gown is so stunning like it's so beautiful.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very simple but it's so elegant.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's made by either made or at least altered if not by that person apparently that went viral on TikTok for the Cinderella dress.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Because that girl like ends up posting yeah amazing.

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, should we move on to our next yes. Let's do it.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I, I got to tell you this is not what I thought we were going to be talking about ice ice for this summer.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, because the number of times I like put in and taking out of an outline.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is like obsession with fair.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Fair.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Very fair.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_00]: That's just so funny for me.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Why like why is it in every song?

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't listen to me.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I just I can't.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't either all I see these TikToks about every song has lyrics about shit.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you, it's very weird.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I just, they don't understand.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. Let's let's get into it.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do not know much about this mess.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to need you to hold.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I watched it all this morning.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm giving jobless sometimes I swear.

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You are really working on this, which is a job.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So how could it be jobless?

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's period. Thank you.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You were doing research for your journalism.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, so anyway, let's talk about this.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because I see a lot of people are age being like tail on tea.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Tail on go with the lid on.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Tail as a fellow on tea.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I got chill.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So basically there's this wrapper named

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Cleo Trapel.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope I said it right.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Please, please guys.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And I spice, of course.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about spice before on this podcast.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: She's a wrap.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_00]: There's supposed to be besties.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And they've known each other for about two years.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And she puts out a six part.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I think yes, six part.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_00]: TikTok and y'all know I love a good six part.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: 10 part.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, well, me.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, part one is too long.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll never watch anything else.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, again, which is so funny because I'm like, yes, let me just let me sit.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sad because she starts with saying listen, I'm going to expose ice

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_00]: spices weird manipulative jealous behavior and kind of humiliation that you know,

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Cleo was feeling by being friends with ice spice.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00]: She says like Cleo Cleo was saying, sorry that she feels like ice was purposefully blocking

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_00]: her blessings as an attempt to stop Cleo from becoming ice spices competition.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Ice spice asked Cleo to come on tour.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was super last minute.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the day before she said come and Cleo was like, well, how am I supposed to come?

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, what's the details and ice spice was like, it's fine.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You'll just stay with me in my room.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, like just just show up basically.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just a former party.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And Cleo knew that she wasn't going to get paid.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's like a known thing Cleo said I never expected to get paid.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that it's very much for the exposure.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So then what she ends up realizing over the course of this tour is that the friendship

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_00]: felt like very much for PR and that ice was kind of using Cleo for cloud.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I do think as well.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the details of the story but in recent weeks like ice spice has been really

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: showing as like not a girls girl and like purposefully going for men that have girlfriends,

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: etc.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And then when people call her on it, she's like,

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: really no sympathy at all.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I could totally see her being like, oh, I need to bring a girlfriend on tour

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: because I need to show that I'm like a girls girl.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just it's very weird.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And I believe ice spices the one right that doesn't pay for the wigs as well.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: There was a whole thing about that.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, could be yeah, but again, that I don't exactly remember to please don't

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: hold me on that part.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. So then Cleo also talks she gives an example of how ice is like selfish.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically the biggest one was that ice-ficed,

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_00]: but sorry, all the bags were taken to the room.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And then ice-tolder, listen like you might have like a water malfunction

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever, make sure you have your bags on you just in case you need to change.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And low and behold, she didn't need to change.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So the security carries the bags down right?

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Ice spices security helps the bags, you know,

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and then that's fine.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Tour's over and ice tells her, hey, leave the bags right here and let's get on the bus

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_00]: or let's get in the car, whatever.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And in that time she realizes all the other stuff has been loaded but her bags.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So then she asks us to carry the bag so don't forget it and this security was like, no,

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to do that.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Huh? Yeah.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So then she's not loading her own bags on.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think she's a little embarrassed because fans are not taking pictures with her

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's like, you know, kind of being her own.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's like, oh, I look less legitimate because I have to carry my own bags

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and then security is not doing it for me.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think loading it onto the tour bus is like that's what's going on here.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So then finally they get loaded on and then they're going to stop at this hotel

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_00]: just to shower and then get back on the road.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I told her right like, just stay with me.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, she'll follow us her and while I said shower and I guess Clea was like,

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, confronted because I don't want any bad blood.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So she asks like, hey, why did you ask their security to like,

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, not take my bags? Like what's going on?

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, no, I just paid them by the, I paid them a flat rate.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So they can't do everything for me.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, oh, this girl is like, the math is not mathing.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. And that's what she said. She's like, well, I told her like, no,

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_00]: if you're paying them a flat rate, they can move a house for you.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, so that apparently didn't sit right with eyes and that is kind of the like

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_00]: the little, the pebble that starts to rock slide.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Because then she talks about like mistreatment over and over where one of it is like

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_00]: the grudge that's been holding about the back situation was she moves

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_00]: her personal belongings outside of the room before they go on,

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_00]: where they have, you know, the back room, the green rooms. Sorry.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the green room.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know how she supposed to be sharing with eyes.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like she said she had a little, I don't know if it's like a full on two

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_00]: case or whatever doesn't matter. She was one bag and all of that

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_00]: gets moved outside.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And what reason.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And which results in her credit card getting stolen and $700 being

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_00]: out.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's like a bunch of times where like eyes,

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: faces tries to embarrass her in front of like her own producer and boyfriend.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, I spices producer and boyfriend right which now she's kind of

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: out of that ice, but I are dating interesting.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And then also there was a lot of others, but this like is kind of the biggest deal.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Cleo keeps talking about how there's all she was she kept getting told

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: that it wasn't enough budget to buy her food.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_00]: One of these instances was everyone was getting asked like, hey, you know, we're paying for

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_00]: um, we're placing a group order.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you want Cleo said she wants to check in salad and ice prices team tells

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_00]: her, Oh, we don't have a budget for that.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, then there's they when they were in Texas, I kind of middle of nowhere

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Texas, ice is whole team and staff go to a steak house for lunch.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they don't tell Cleo about it, of course.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So Cleo is now gone several times without food and feels like neglected.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: The only person that kind of is nice to Cleo is ice-fices hair stylist.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's who and that's who Cleo now ends up bunking with the whole they rest

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_00]: of the tour.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: This is I'm like also why are you there still?

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what people were saying.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you got to get that exposure can be that good because I've never heard of this woman

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: until today.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And not only that she was going up at seven o'clock and the all the flyers

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and what she was on no flyers first of all, ice-fice didn't repost her stuff

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_00]: when she kept tagging her in like doing like I'm on today.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_00]: She would go on at seven a.m.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the show is said to start at nine.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was never set up well for her is the point.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then obviously she was never told like what transport to get on when to go,

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_00]: you know what they were leaving.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Like they were on purpose basically.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the finale is like finally tours over or either whatever.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_00]: She ends up leaving and Cleo like confronts spice and you know,

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and she like text to um, she sends a lot of text.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And the text are crazy like they're bringing me on to it's very long.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But the biggest is ice-fice was like you're the opposite of respectful.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to act like you know you want to call me dumb saying that aura.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Cleo was like you just respected me first.

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's John explained to her and ice is just like not having it.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like enjoy your little story time.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So then Cleo wrote well, enjoying being friendless.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So ice-fice goes enjoy being careerless.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean like ice-fice would get that little bump from doing the karma remix of Taylor Swift too.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So like I guess she probably feels like she can stand on business like that.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So it just giving like they were saying like oh ice-fice Cleo was like she has she's boring.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I was saying I tied my ice. She has no personality. She's immature.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: She's ego-distic. She's petty blah blah blah.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And they just keep they're just fighting back and forth back and forth.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like ice-fice is like those not care at all.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what's going on.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And Cleo talks about how she felt like she was a token black friend.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is like also caused a lot.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just so confused why like obviously if you're invited to go on tour,

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you should be treated well and you should be you know fed or whatever the agreement is.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But like why did you go and why did you stay if you're getting treated so importantly?

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Stand up and go home.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and her man she was like I'm willing to pay out for my own hotel room even if it's at a five star hotel that I can afford.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'll still do it if you know you're able to like tell me what I supposed to do.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And then Cleo was also saying that her management team finally sets her up with a was it?

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah with a

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Assistant but even then the assistant kind of wasn't allowed to come on the bus and they kept saying that like hey,

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, Cleo can't have any friends here can't do this can do that.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So it seems like she tried a little bit and the only thing I'll say is it felt like ice was trying to get her to quit

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe she wasn't trying to quit.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah but why was she invited in the first like I'm sorry ice was just invited her on tour to bully her in the day.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't plan what's he like what was yeah it seems like she was mad about the bag situation.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's still very weird before the bag situation nothing made a lick of sense like what do you mean?

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I like was there no contract that's the thing I don't think it was I think it was like a friend thing.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that is why you don't mix friends and business like that that's crazy like yep because it genuinely obviously I didn't have in her I says like

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Side of the story or whatever but like from Cleo side I'm like it sounds like ice based invited you on tour to bully you off of tour like you're fun and I don't understand.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I was so confused do we get ice based aside?

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_00]: No well she okay so she hosts a Twitter space.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah and says like Cleo left out a lot of details she claims they went to an amusement park together eight out at restaurants.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_00]: One restaurant she said Cleo ate so fast that the waiter was confused where the food went.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah stop it no I'm sorry that's a dumb thing I've ever what did mean that makes sense because she wasn't given any food just starving.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and she's up please turn can I have literally.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she suggested Cleo didn't she didn't want Cleo in the big tour bus every day basically in the bed with her because she's like I was trying to touch myself.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Some I'm sorry.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I said that it's on what yeah what the actual fuck what are we doing here what do you mean oh I invited this girl on tour gave her no money so she couldn't really afford to pay for accommodation.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and then I was locking her out of the accommodations we did how because I wanted to master bait no what are you doing.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you saying that?

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm or did she say that's all shut is literally on video like she and then she just like but anyway check out my tour ticket.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_00]: No do not check out her tour tickets here here's why I will say I am unfortunately a little bit less on ice but I do believe that both are it wrong and like you said.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's not like I'm just going to say that you're going to be like I'm just going to leave if a situation doesn't serve you you got to go but I'm also not like in a hustling rapper cut throat life so I don't know sometimes maybe if to take everything.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I listen I I fully don't understand what happened at all I'm so confused but I feel like.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to stand up because you're not going to show that you're worthy of respect no one is going to respect you first of all but also what do you mean you couldn't have her in the room because you had to master bait like no I've heard enough.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_00]: She definitely used crazy words of that but yes.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean yeah then there is a their pictures and ice ice is Instagram that says tour dump and it's just empty food plate.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And then another one says I was trolling and it's food plates again and then there's one video with the chicken salad sitting in the back.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god I did see a tweet about ice by today I cannot remember who it was from it might have been race on me.

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's been doing it about it but it was basically like all of this like backlash on ice by so showing that people could be showing that people are kind of turning on.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, talk celebrities and looking for actual like more talent.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean maybe because pooping your ice crazy like why is she so obsessed with poop and why is she telling people like we live in a society.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It's none of my business if people like poop like that why are you making me know that about like we know too much about her that part.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: That part I want to know less I want to go back to the person I was before I knew anything about ice by yep and anyway it seems like there are 540,000 people that believe you 500,000 plus people because ice by says now lost 540,000 followers.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: She should have lost the follower sooner that's my only criticism.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And her Instagram is like full of like people commenting about Cleo.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Good I mean honestly like I again we obviously don't know the full story we can only speak on what's been published.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean maybe available exactly every story has three sides your side my side and the truth.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So but it's still crazy is but both sides everything I've heard is absolutely insane exactly.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, clear should have been left.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And here's the thing she should have been left documented everything and then called her out to be like no she can't spin it that I'm you know walking out because I'm used like you know I'm what if also like.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean she it's so fast the waiter didn't know where the food like what is like that's just a read for no reason.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if you know what I'm going to call myself you want feeding her so it checks out you're just confirming the story man.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god that's a lot.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but yes, that is a little bit of ice by drama for us oldies.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel more informed see this is how messed magnets keeps us all young not our listeners it gets us to yeah because as soon as I saw like a four like a six part thing I said I'm here.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's wait can we before we get into the next mess.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and we take a little side trip for each other take some other check dog mess that yeah.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm mind this weekend so so I should have did you see any posts about the chase money glitch.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I did actually yes okay so I like had seen some posts about it but I was like I don't understand what this is and like chase isn't a bank in Canada so I was like I don't know none of.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: None of my business.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then I started getting like the explainer tick talks and so do you know what people were doing with the chase money glitch, Sasha.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, with the with the little check here in there.

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So it was basically like typically speaking with at least some banks maybe it's every bank in the state I don't know you can deposit checks using like the app for the bank you can and then money becomes immediately available obviously with like really big checks normally a whole do we'll go on them and you won't be able to spend more than one.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But whatever like a thousand bucks or whatever your bank, it's on your account for like five days they can verify the check with the money in your account blah blah blah blah.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess the chase app was.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Not putting a hold on checks and was also accepting checks that were not real through the app.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_01]: What then people were calling this a money glitch which obviously it's like a glitch in the system but it's like a free money like that doesn't exist.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So people were putting in like fake checks to themselves for like thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars and then rushing to the ATM to take out all the cash.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_01]: People are going to jail idiot and like quite literally this is not money glitch.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_01]: This is wire fraud and like these people could get reco charges.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course they will like it literally these people could actually do hard time because look at all the stories we talk about whenever we touch on true crime with like famous people or anything.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_01]: What do they go for to jail for? It's never the worship they did.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the wire fraud gets them every time.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So like this is going to be crazy.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be absolutely insane and I was so shocked that young people were doing this because like I feel like I had heard I've never done this personally, but I'm known people who did it.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Where like when you go to deposit a check into the ATM people will just put like an empty envelope in to get like yeah 100 bucks. Like never a lot of money, but people will do it.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And then like you get caught in the bank charges you the money and it's like all this sucks.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And I actually knew somebody who did that so many times they got banned from a certain bank.

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They weren't allowed to bank with them anymore because they didn't so much.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But like my sister used to work at a bank and she said every day when they would pull all the deposit envelopes from the ATM, there would be at least one to ten empty envelopes that people were doing like this minor thing.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So this is like just an extension of that, but where you could get way more money people are buying G wagons with this money running under their ATM cards in their house.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Seriously, which is like the most disgusting thing I've ever heard of my life.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I just can't take these people seriously.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's but that's the thing it's so unserious but also at the same time it's so serious.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like y'all you're gonna go to jail fools.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's what's happening.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_01]: If any of you have heard about the Chase money. Yes, thank you.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, PSA is actually wire fraud. Do not do it.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so stupid.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's called like their specific names for this type of fraud.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's called like, hiding I think.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hiding or something like that? I don't know.

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_01]: People are I sat booking. We're not looking at this.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's called let me confirm check, citing.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a form of check fraud involving taking advantage of the flow to make use of non-existent funds.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. So that's exactly what it is and it is.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And legal do not do it.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you hear any young people in your life, I say some mess man says like a little bit of an older audience too.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of keeping the people informed.

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You hear any young people in your life talking about the money glitch.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Say, hey, that's fraud and you genuinely could go to jail.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Just don't be the only thing I was laughing so hard.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I had to laugh because it was so crazy.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Just unsyred.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, this is so stupid.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know what? This just shows how unfortunate like we are.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Like what a dire situation.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're in trouble.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But just as a society, there's danger.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, I just wanted to quickly speak on that because it is relevant to pop culture today.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately when it when this shows up like two years later in your favorite show, you know why?

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly. You'll see it on some sort of like CW drama or Netflix show and you're going to be like, oh my god.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I know what that is now. I know what, check the kidding.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_01]: That's magnets. You're all gone.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Listen, public service. Okay.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's get into the last bit of mess before anonymous and it really is mess because it is so hard to be a Cardi B fan lately.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The girl, what is you do when they grow?

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. This man has dog due out so much and how she is pregnant for the third time by offset.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_00]: No, yes. Again, yeah, and allegedly they're divorcing but like please be serious.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Not only that, Carson, have you seen the pictures?

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen the pictures.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually, this is the first I'm hearing about. Okay.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to send you this picture of you.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It already, I know are like things as something but I want it.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't seen it, the picture is Cardi B on a bike and at the bellies out.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like in a bike or jacket and like really cool leather boots that you know whatever.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_00]: That feel like writing like gear. But anyway, it's nice. Okay.

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_00]: She looks fire. I think Cardi B is so beautiful.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And do you see what's written in the back in white?

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, where did you send it on the part of the page?

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought you were going to send it on my phone.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry. I was like, where is it? But that's on me.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Thought that's on me. Okay. Let me look.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and it's like giving like a graffiti like you know, grungy look. Like again beautiful.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_00]: But the back in white and yellow and not white in yellow and blue says home safe.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I believe or something like that.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it looks like it says home safe.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you want it says yeah, I do.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I do see so then there's white spray less like the whole thing.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, yellow and blue like very like good graffiti like proper with like an orange border around it. Like how you'd see.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And then in white spray paint over top is like, you know, people will just like put random words on buildings and they like aren't like graffiti artists.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And it just has a pedophile.

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I would I personally wouldn't want the word pedophile in a picture with my pregnant belly.

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And my me as an adult who's pregnant with a child. I probably wouldn't want that.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just me is this is on here like are you dumb? Are you stupid?

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's ball. This is stupid. And this is one of the things.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And again, if people didn't know obviously it is a dish for misnake.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not a wash. And like Nikki should be getting her lashings for choosing to be with a registered sex vendor.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But like, but this is not the venue.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm feeling like my children.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, stupid.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like she deleted it. She did not delete it.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's up on her Instagram. You can look it up.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Just wild. I don't know how else to say it. Why would you do why would you do that?

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Just ridiculous.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I am horrified. Oh my god.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Also another thing just happened not about already.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what happened?

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You only go into in.

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember them?

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I know that's the Joel in twins.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. Yeah, so they were big on YouTube.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_00]: They were wine guys and then they became YouTubers and breaking news.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then they quit YouTube, unfortunately after their dad's death.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And this happened August 30th.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_00]: What the hell? I didn't even know about this. Come on, algorithm.

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so they, their dad, unfortunately died.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And these, I believe it was like a bunch of their little teeny-bopper fans.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_00]: We're like, we're like crashing the funeral.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did see that.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And then like, I let them to like kind of still be on YouTube.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_00]: But like, they were just like, longs are sure it, they quit not much after that.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, Ethan, who was dating the Australian Christina Alice, is married.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, how old are the Dolan twins?

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_00]: She's 26, so he might be around that.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I make sense of their big on-vine.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, see, yeah.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_00]: This is crazy.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they are now in engagement until I 2023.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Where the hell have I been, bro?

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Missing you've been missing.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_00]: They're just crazy.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they've been big since 2013.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And then there are YouTube Black Channel had 10 million subscribers.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And not only that, what's crazy is like, they have that friend group with James Charles and Emma Chamberlain.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_00]: This, yeah.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's crazy to me.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, they're, it's a kind of like basically scrub.

[00:58:33] Okay.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Why mean you have people crashing your dad's funeral?

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to change some, make some difference.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_01]: What's like, I don't mean that to say that like it's very false at all.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously that's on the absolute unhinged behavior of fans.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But I like if people did that to me, I would also be trying to keep things a little bit more private.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean it looks like a beautiful ceremony.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It was in the Catskills in New York.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it looks like they are married on the 24th of August.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So many weddings.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's ice water about 90% of people I know were at weddings just this past weekend.

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other 10% were getting engaged.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Fair, very fair.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and she's already changed her name to Christina Dolan.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And good for her.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, it seems like they don't get it like a year ago.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's fine.

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously what's important or we would have talked about it sooner.

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Fair.

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my god.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_00]: These Dave, oh, they're both in relationship interesting.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, no idea.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_00]: What's there anything else about Cardi B?

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's it.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I was, yeah, it's just kind of a soft embarrassing yourself.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It petophiles weird.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not the place.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a time in a place.

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, that's not the time or the place.

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's very engaging you.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, it's just embarrassing anyway.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready for an anonymous?

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay.

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to preface this by saying, I'm like 99% sure this is fake.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I will need our messenger to send me proof if this is real.

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You can DM us at messed magnets or if you want to keep it, probably could just DM me at

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Cursed and said what?

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't, I don't believe it's true.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But I still think it's a great story.

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to talk about it anyways.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But like I want proof.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So our messenger says this is the currently unfolding mass of my close friend, Riley.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So Riley had been in a relationship with someone named Oliver since 2015.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: At first, Oliver seemed like the perfect small town guy charming, dependable and well-liked by all of Riley's friends.

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody thought they were a great match and it seemed like Oliver had everything going for him.

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And he and Riley both the life together that looked very happy on the surface.

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: However, as time went on, Riley began to see a different side of Oliver.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But neither this charming exterior, he was lazy and complacent, he was stuck in his ways

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And didn't really make an effort to grow or change.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And so the initial appeal faded as Riley realized that Oliver wasn't the ambitious forward person.

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Forward thinking person that she had thought he was.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Oliver was contented just a long, Riley wanted more out of life.

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: In 2021, Riley met someone named Sean.

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And Sean is someone who like used to be a big deal had a lot going from in the past, but his life had just not gone as planned and he had fallen a bit out of the spotlight.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So despite these struggles, he starred an energy about him like a spark that Oliver just didn't have.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He was really motivated to make a comeback and start fresh in his life when Riley came into his life.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a breath of fresh air for him because she saw his potential and believed in him and gave him the bus he needed to turn things around.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I like it.

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, no, Riley really wanted to like leave Oliver and move on with Sean, but felt that it would be unfair to Oliver.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So she decided to give Oliver one last shot.

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: She enrolled them into joint workout classes, signed them up for new activities and hobbies, but nothing stuck.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And Riley realized that Oliver was holding her back and Sean and so much more potential.

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So she made a bold decision. She broke things off with Oliver leaving behind the comfortable but uninspiring life built and her friends are shocked because they thought Oliver was such a catch, but Riley knew the truth that he ever wasn't the person they all believed him to be.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of our friends are still upset and don't understand Riley's choice, but the real ones are seeing how happy she is with Sean because with Riley support Sean started to rebuild his life getting back into the things he loved and finding new success and together they're powerful team and inspiring each other to be their best selves.

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Dang, she's a fixer.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she seems like she's been a lot of labor here.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and now here's the paragraph where I'm like this it has to be fake.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. So I say, no, this is where the story gets used because many of Oliver's friends were still furious about how they built Oliver had been wronged and that he deserved to change to prove himself.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: They rallied around him to determine to restore his pride.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, after some heated discussions and growing tensions between both sides they decided there was only one way to settle a score.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: A boxing match between Oliver and Sean.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Well now we are waiting.

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're asleep to see how it's shot.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, we don't let them make video that they did not happen.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like I just it has to be fake.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care that it's fake, but like if it's not fake, I need evidence and then I'll verify that I saw evidence.

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: No, we need some.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right, there's a laughing.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the way you're going to tell me they like, thought they like, you know, did like a wrap and I also did everything.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: A boxing match.

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe what the hate?

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: What is this reality net fights come on?

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But okay, I also here's what I love the most because it doesn't look what are the stakes of the boxing match.

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all like it's for Riley's affections.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like if Oliver beats a shit out of Sean Riley's going to get back together with exactly none of this makes sense.

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Stop guys.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I just can't stop laughing.

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so, this is great.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I love humans.

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: We're so dumb.

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Literally the dumbest.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But that is the very funny anonymous that I share.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, for the audience, we're running low on anonymous.

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So you have any mass.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, real or fake, we don't care that much.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Just send to the timeurl.com slash mess thing.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's we need it.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, come on.

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Come on.

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I beg.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Please.

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We need it immediately.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Literally like yesterday.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, anyway.

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Here we are.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's ridiculous.

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But we did it.

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Another episode of mess magnets in the can feels like we didn't even miss a week at all because it's so natural and I'm going to say it.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Great job to both of us as always.

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: We're back.

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: We're back.

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: We're back.

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you missed me.

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you missed us together.

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, isn't Chris and deserves a break.

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to push her to take some time off.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And I will.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I do we just need to figure out the best time.

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But either way.

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Chris, and you did a great job holding it down.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And I am so grateful for that.

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I happy to do it because we both deserve rest but the listeners deserve it.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Both can happen.

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to be making it happen.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But yes, I think if that is it.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you everyone for listening.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you leave us a five star review.

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, please help us out.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Five stars.

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I stars only.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And Kristen, where can the people find you?

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So other than mess magnets, I am showing up on our HAP talking about big brother a little bit.

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: This past Sunday.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I was on the girls night recap with my south Asia and Mari, which was you this so much.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the first ever all women big brother podcast on R.H.A.P.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that.

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy to show her.

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm I'm we don't care.

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: We we're saying it is.

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm wrong, let me know.

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But like it's a podcast that some people called a mother convention.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I love girl.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: She is my favorite.

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It was just missing you.

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We would be too powerful.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it was super fun and you can also follow me everywhere that's Twitter,

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: TikTok, twitch, Instagram, act, person said what?

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And Sasha, what about you, work and they find you?

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, of course you can find me on Twitter.

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on size underscore, Oh four.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: In addition to mess magnets, I'm talking below deck every week.

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: She pel the touch a great job, but I'm coming back, maybe.

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be back this week.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a talk below deck med.

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, so going on.

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And Mike, Bloom and I of course are talking with your favorite reality TV stars about their

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: favorite scripted shows.

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So I must say not to shoot my own horn.

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, hilarious podcast with Kelly Wentworth from Survivor.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: The talk, Grey's Anatomy.

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was so funny everyone because Mike Bloom has never seen it.

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So we were just constantly blowing his mind.

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't buy that.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Mike Bloom has never seen Grey's Anatomy.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: The math is not nothing on that one.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's really rainy.

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to say yet.

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It's wild.

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But would recommend.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that everyone does that and watches.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So listen to that, please.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Help, you know, help us out.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Leave us a visor review and tell your messenger that would greatly help us out.

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But you just, it's so funny.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And for everything else, like I said, follow me on Twitter.

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And you'll know what I'm up to.

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'll be on some big brother stuff this week as well.

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So thank you everyone for listening.

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We will see you next week.

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.